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On Sat, 29 Apr 1995, stephenw wrote:

> Hi, my name is Steve (aka Gizmo),
> I would also like to know if anybody has written a replacement
> file req
ester routine yet.  I attempted a few months ago but
 it was go slow and boring I gave up.  The reason I ask is because
> I am at present putting the finishing touches to a football
> sta
istic and prediction program and the Amos requesters don't
> blend in at all with the GUI I am using.  Please get in touch.

Hi there steve, I wrote a file requester procedure in Amos a while back, it
requires the LDOS extension, since I never could get Amos Pro's commands
for listing only files and assigns and devices(Any Idea's anyone???? Help)
It works alot like ASL, more like Final Copy II though, works great, but
it won't work on Amos Pro unless you have the Pro version of LDOS, I don't so
I can't use it bummer. Well if your interested in it, give me a reply

Cori Skagen
(s

[e-mail])


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On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, Magoga - Borsista CSI wrote:

> Hi All.
>
> I'm very happy because i can announce to you a new Amos Web Site.
> After a lot of months, finally the web is finished and updated every 2-3 days.
>
> My web doesn't want to compete with others (PLAYFIELD!, Andy Church's..).
>

Why not? A little competition now and again can work very stimulating.
Please try and outperform the official amoslist-website ;-).

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Hi, I'm about half way through a project which needs to use a lot of maths
however I am having a few problems.  The first is that if I use floating point
numbers for a loop ie,
for c#=0.0 to 1.0 step 0.01
or something like that, and I set Double Precision on then the loop will never
terminate.  This is a bit of a problem, why does this happen?  Is there a
simple fix - I have converted them all to integers and then divided by 100 in
this example but its hardly an optimal solution.

The second problem I am having is with powers (^). It doesn't work correctly.
If I raise a negative number to an odd power then the number is turned into
a positive, which it shouldn't do :(  Again I've got a work around but its
not exactly good coding. it goes like this :

    to raise c# to the power of x
    if x>0
        if c#<0 and (x/2)*2<>x
            c#=c#^x
            c#=-1.0*c#
        else
            c#=c#^x
        end if
    else
        c#=c#^x
    endif

s there any better way of getting around this problem?  I've Amos Pro v2 so
upgrading to a less buggy version is not an option.

thanks for listening

Paul





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I have written a file requester routine (in AMOS Pro).  I used the
interface language and mine works fine.  It displays volumes and devices
just fine.

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Im interested in this new Web site.  Can I upload some Amos games onto there?


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Yes, I know I go on about it, but one of my mates has just sent me
everything he has on the D-Sam extension, and basically its the lib,
and example program and a bit of text telling you how to install it. No
contacts, no license stuff etc. Can someone tell me if the extension is
PD (if so, anybody else want a copy?), and if not, a contact address..

Also, could the kind person who offered to help with my flickering
sprite problems email me again, as my mailbox crashed and I lost your
address. Soz! :)

Ludwig.

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On Mon, 1 May 1995, Paul Smart wrote:

>
> Hi, I'm about half way through a project which needs to use a lot of maths
> however I am having a few problems.  The first is that if I use floating point
> numbers for a loop ie,
> for c#=0.0 to 1.0 step 0.01
> or something like that, and I set Double Precision on then the loop will never
> terminate.  This is a bit of a problem, why does this happen?  Is there a
> simple fix - I have converted them all to integers and then divided by 100 in
> this example but its hardly an optimal solution.
>

I do not know why this happens, but using integers generally IS a good
idea, as it is faster and I seem to remember some bugs having to do with
floating points.

> The second problem I am having is with powers (^). It doesn't work correctly.
> If I raise a negative number to an odd power then the number is turned into
> a positive, which it shouldn't do :(  Again I've got a work around but its
> not exactly good coding. it goes like this :
>
>     to raise c# to the power of x
>     if x>0
>         if c#<0 and (x/2)*2<>x
>             c#=c#^x
>             c#=-1.0*c#
>         else
>             c#=c#^x
>         end if
>     else
>         c#=c#^x
>     endif
>
> s there any better way of getting around this problem?  I've Amos Pro v2 so
> upgrading to a less buggy version is not an option.
>

I do not know why this happens either, but I think you can replace this
routine with the following line:
   C#=Sgn(C#)*C#^X
And if that does not work this should:
   C=C# : C#=Sgn(C)*C#^X

BTW, instead of
   If C#<0 and (X/2)*2<>X
you could use
   If C#<0 and X mod 2 <>X

Good luck,

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>I do not know why this happens either, but I think you can replace this
>routine with the following line:
>   C#=Sgn(C#)*C#^X
>And if that does not work this should:
>   C=C# : C#=Sgn(C)*C#^X

  Technically, that would work, but this is clearer:

C#=Sgn(C#)*Abs(C#)^X

because it shows what your intent is.  (If you're really crazy abøut speed,
you can get rid of the Abs() call, but it helps readability.)

>BTW, instead of
>   If C#<0 and (X/2)*2<>X
>you could use
>   If C#<0 and X mod 2 <>X

  No you can't, because (2/2)*2 = 1*2 = 2, but 2 mod 2 = 0 <> 2.  What you
can do (and it's faster) is:

If C#<0 and (X and 1)<>0

  In fact, you can speed up this particular case even more:

If C#<0 and (X and 1)

because 2 is a power of 2, so X mod 2 = X and (2-1).

  --Andy Church ([e-mail])
    WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/

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About those maths-problems:

1) My guess is that it is caused by round-off errors. Adding 0.01 to itself
   100 times will not present you with the answer '1.0'. Try this:

   for i#=0.0 to 1.0 step 0.01
       ?i, i#: inc i
   next i#

   and be amazed at the results. However, AMOS 1.36 stops when it reaches
   1.0, because the next number after 1.0 is bigger than 1.0. So I don't
   understand why your program won't quit, but then again, AMOS is full
   of nasty surprises.

2) I know this bug from the time AMOS 1.2 was released. I've written Euro-
   press a dozen times about it, but they never fixed it. It's present in
   every version of AMOS (including PRO and EASY). You can
   a) not use powers
   b) use them with the workaround you've already written
   c) hack the AMOS-code to fix it
   d) use the mathffp.library yourself.

   Choose!

Regards,
Maarten ([e-mail])

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On Mon, 1 May 1995, Andy Church wrote:

> >BTW, instead of
> >   If C#<0 and (X/2)*2<>X
> >you could use
> >   If C#<0 and X mod 2 <>X
>
>   No you can't, because (2/2)*2 = 1*2 = 2, but 2 mod 2 = 0 <> 2.  What you
> can do (and it's faster) is:
>
> If C#<0 and (X and 1)<>0
>
>   In fact, you can speed up this particular case even more:
>
> If C#<0 and (X and 1)
>
> because 2 is a power of 2, so X mod 2 = X and (2-1).
>

Erm... yes... obviously :-) I meant
   If C#<0 and X mod 2 <> 0

BTW, could this also be
   ? If C#<0 and not (X mod 2)

I forgot wether (false = 0) or (false    <>    -1) in Amos.
                     only           anything but
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        If I want a simple chain I use

RUN filename

        but if I have compiled files it doesn't work!

How can I do? I have 3 progs:

---------------
PROG1:

blah... blah...
RUN Prog2
---------------

---------------
PROG2:

blah... blah...
RUN Prog3
---------------

        If they are compiled (under Amos1.31) how it works?




                        Andy - [e-mail]

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>Erm... yes... obviously :-) I meant
>   If C#<0 and X mod 2 <> 0
>
>BTW, could this also be
>   ? If C#<0 and not (X mod 2)

  No, because the Not statement (yes, Not is implemented as a statement!)
is broken in AMOS.  (What isn't?)

>I forgot wether (false = 0) or (false    <>    -1) in Amos.
>                     only           anything but

  True = -1, False = 0.  For testing purposes, True <> 0, False = 0.

  --Andy Church ([e-mail])
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I just uploaded the archive of all the messages posted to the list in
April.  It is on AmiNet (ftp.wustl.edu) under dev/amos as AMOSList-0495.lzh

Sorry I have been quiet.  I was in the desert for quite awhile.  But, I am
back, and will try to ctach up on the FAq and FTP site.

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Is there anyone else interested in Amoszine,  a cool new diskmag?  If so,
place your orders this way and I'll send it back packed with DiskMasher.
If you have any objections to me using DiskMasher then I will Lha it.
The mag I will send is a PD issue, but it is still good.  Anyone
interested?? :-)

Andy Smith

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On Tue, 2 May 1995 [e-mail] wrote:

>
>         If I want a simple chain I use
>
> RUN filename
>
>         but if I have compiled files it doesn't work!
>
> How can I do? I have 3 progs:
>
> ---------------
> PROG1:
>
> blah... blah...
> RUN Prog2
> ---------------
>
> ---------------
> PROG2:
>
> blah... blah...
> RUN Prog3
> ---------------
>
>         If they are compiled (under Amos1.31) how it works?
>
>
>
>
>                         Andy - [e-mail]
>

Use a Dos execute call or Amos Pro's Exec function.  Make sure to run the
program.  Then quit your existing one.  If you want to pass variables,
use the command line (and command line$ in your other program to get the
values back).

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I'm about to embark on a fairly big AMOS project.  It's intended as an
adaptable Quiz program.  I'd like to have options for picture and audio
clues.  I'd also like split screens, copperlists, and if feasible,
Intuition screens, requesters, etc.  There might be some small animations
in it (anybody got a good digitized anim of the Earth rotating?).  And
I'd obviously want to do as little work as possible, which implies the
need for a later version of AMOS and compiler.  Ahh, but the BUGS...

SO, which version of AMOS has the best combination of features, with the
fewest bugs?  I get the impression from reading this list that newer
doesn't always mean "fewer bugs".  I'm also assuming you'll all suggest
AMOS-PRO as a starting point?

Which extensions should I explore?  (I've never used one before, aside
from what's built-into AMOS).  BTW, I don't expect to do any floating
point math.  I do plan on samples and using some speech synthesis.

With all that said, what rev. of AMOS/Amos-Pro would you suggest?  Which
libs, extensions, etc?

-Dave

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Hi Martijn,

> Hi,
>
> I am experiencing problems compiling a (big) program.
> I am using AmosPro 2.0 (all three updates) and the Procompiler.
> The 'long jump' option is used.
> I have an A500, 1chip and 2fast. Kick1.3 and 2.0
>
> Can you give me information on things I should DEFENITLY look at
> when compiling ?
> Like settings of variabeles (intitializing them and so on)
> I had the 'varchecker' from the easylife distribution go over the
> program and it did find some 20 'undeclared' vars in some
> 260K of program code.
> The prog contains very, very many string-operations.
> Can these be at fault ?
>
> If you have any experience in compilings that go wrong, post them
> please as I am sure a good compilation of 'amos-errors'
> (exuse me: 'amos-features' :-| ) would be to everone's benefit.
> If you already have such a 'list' : please post it ?

When I first tried to compile my Uno clone using Amos 1.34 I think
I had similar problems to what you had.  What I did that seemed
to clear things up was to set the stack to a higher value,
after that my program did not crash anymore.


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Don Schmelling  Port Angeles, WA USA
A1200/540/CD + A1230 50/0/4
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Hi David,

> Hello all,
>    I don't know if there's anyone out there using my "Amtuition" AMOS
> fake-intuition library, but in the course of fiddling about with AMOS
> yesterday I improved the system in a couple of small ways.. if you want
> the update it's free (although the original was Licenseware). Mail me and
> I'll send you a uu-encoded copy of the update, which I think is no more
> than 2K in size.
>  One of the main improvements is that the MOVEWINDOW[] procedure now takes
> an additional parameter 'S' that enables full-window dragging (as seen on
> Windoze-NT, X11R6, the Amiga "Picdrag" program for the Picasso-II etc).
>  I guess virutally all would-be Intuition programmers on this list are
> now using the "proper" Intuition extension, but if there are any
> AMtuition users out there, feel free to mail me.
>
I am interested in an AMtuition update, I have previously purchased
AMtuition.


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Don Schmelling  Port Angeles, WA USA
A1200/540/CD + A1230 50/0/4
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On May 2nd, Andy Church Wrote:

>  No, because the Not statement (yes, Not is implemented as a statement!)
>  is broken in AMOS.  (What isn't?)

How is the NOT instruction broken, because it returns negative number?
technically its supposed to: AMOS stores numbers as 32 bit signed numbers
so when you do a logical NOT operation it will set the signed bit:

eg.  then number 8 in 32 bit binary is 00000000000000000000000000001000
     when it is NOT'd     it becomes   11111111111111111111111111110111

notice the last bit(the sign bit) is set so it will become a negative
number which you will notice is -9, which is what the NOT instruction
will return

Cori Skagen
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[e-mail] (Paul Smart) wrote on 01.05.1995 some text
under the subject Problem with maths. I can't leave this
uncommentated ;-)

PS> for c#=0.0 to 1.0 step 0.01
PS> or something like that, and I set Double Precision on then the loop will never
PS> terminate.  This is a bit of a problem, why does this happen?  Is there a

Floating Point numbers are not perfectly accurate. This is due to the
limited amount of bits used to store the number. Therefore it is not
recommended to use constructions like 'If float1#=float2#' as they
could never be true, use 'If abs(float1#-float2#)<0.001' or anything
equalent. For-Next-loops should for this reason use only integer
values if possible.

PS> simple fix - I have converted them all to integers and then divided by 100 in
PS> this example but its hardly an optimal solution.

It is. And it's much faster too... avoid IEEE where possible ;-)

PS> The second problem I am having is with powers (^). It doesn't work correctly.

Euh? Very bad thing this one... I never used powers (as they will
load the math libraries and I want my programs not to use any of
these) but bit shifting operations instead. I think AMOS is using
these math libraries to perform the power operation and therefore the
fault could (!) be searched there... ever tried an other maths program
that uses the maths libraries?

PS>         if c#<0 and (x/2)*2<>x

Use

If c#<0 and (x and 1)

instead ;-)

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On Tue, 2 May 1995, David C. Gorton wrote:

>
> I'm about to embark on a fairly big AMOS project.  It's intended as an
> adaptable Quiz program.  I'd like to have options for picture and audio
> clues.  I'd also like split screens, copperlists, and if feasible,
> Intuition screens, requesters, etc.  There might be some small animations
> in it (anybody got a good digitized anim of the Earth rotating?).  And
> I'd obviously want to do as little work as possible, which implies the
> need for a later version of AMOS and compiler.  Ahh, but the BUGS...
>

I am embarked on the same sort of project once, but the bigness prevented
me from finishing it. If you want, I could send you my program plans and
the code that I had so far.

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>I'm about to embark on a fairly big AMOS project.  It's intended as an
>adaptable Quiz program.  I'd like to have options for picture and audio
>clues.  I'd also like split screens, copperlists, and if feasible,
>Intuition screens, requesters, etc.  There might be some small animations
>in it (anybody got a good digitized anim of the Earth rotating?).  And
>I'd obviously want to do as little work as possible, which implies the
>need for a later version of AMOS and compiler.  Ahh, but the BUGS...

I might have a traced version of the earth somewere..

>
>SO, which version of AMOS has the best combination of features, with the
>fewest bugs?  I get the impression from reading this list that newer
>doesn't always mean "fewer bugs".  I'm also assuming you'll all suggest
>AMOS-PRO as a starting point?
>

U should go for amos pro and the amos pro compiler then u will get the
update for amos pro to 2.0 which has fewer bugs, and u will get the
advantage of compiling directly in amos and se the result at a second.

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Is there any new information about AmosPro??...AGA screenmodes and so on?
And how about Turbo extension? Is there faster Bob routines, and whats
new after v1.9 (2.0?)...

Is there any hope for my AmosPro and A1200? :)

I bet you all have heard that Blitz2 is fast....thats not true.
Bobs are fast in Blitz2 but calculations are very slow, 2-5 times
slower than AmosPro+Compiler.

Bye!


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On Wed, 3 May 1995 [e-mail] wrote:

> Is there any new information about AmosPro??...AGA screenmodes and so on?
> And how about Turbo extension? Is there faster Bob routines, and whats
> new after v1.9 (2.0?)...
>
> Is there any hope for my AmosPro and A1200? :)
>
> I bet you all have heard that Blitz2 is fast....thats not true.
> Bobs are fast in Blitz2 but calculations are very slow, 2-5 times
> slower than AmosPro+Compiler.
>
> Bye!

BULL - From first hand, writing in C, Blitz, and AMOS, I know that AMOS
math is no different than Blitz, you must be using quicks and not
integers.  I have moved to C, though - only asm can beat optimized C
math!  I had too many speed complaints and AMOS->bug reports from my
programming in AMOS, and Blitz was SO SLOPPY!  With Blitz, you have to slam
OS functions anyway, so why not just do it in C...?

By the way, folks, airTaxi, my final AMOS project, will be appearing on
AMIGA POWER COVERDISK 50.  So keep an eye out.

Dave May

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        My problem is that I have to "link" programs compiled under
   Amos1.31 (I own AmosPro but I need 1.31 for this...) so I can't use
   AmosPro commands! How can I achieve this effect?

   Note:

 - RUN works only with interpreted progs
 - Ive tried with calls to EXEC but it doesn't work

   Can someone write down the necessary piece of code? I need to chain
   a program ending the calling one.

   Program1
   blah...   blah...
   RUN Prog2
   END

                                                        Thankx


                                Andy - [e-mail]


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On Wed, 3 May 1995 [e-mail] wrote:

> Is there any new information about AmosPro??...AGA screenmodes and so on?
> And how about Turbo extension? Is there faster Bob routines, and whats
> new after v1.9 (2.0?)...
>

As far as we know (pluralis discussionlistis) Amos development by
Europress has stopped completely. Several groups and persons of this list
have plans to take it -within legal bounds- a step further. Michael
Sikorsky is working on what-used-to-be-called-MARP, a project to replace
all Amos commands with C functions, so that an Amos programmer could
switch easily to C (and C programmers would not have to plough through
numerous manuals just to open a screen). The Amos Development Team (of
which the members are?) are working on a completely new Amos-like but
less buggy language.
How about an update, guys?

> Is there any hope for my AmosPro and A1200? :)
>

In what sense? They are not disfunctional at the moment, are they? You
can program with them, cannot you?

> I bet you all have heard that Blitz2 is fast....thats not true.
> Bobs are fast in Blitz2 but calculations are very slow, 2-5 times
> slower than AmosPro+Compiler.
>

We have covered this subject before on this list. I guess the fact that
both languages are popular means that both languages have their strong
points.

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Hello all,
    I'm new to this group so I'm just letting you all know who I am! :-)

At the moment I use Amos 1.3+comp. on a 500 with 1meg.  I do have AmosPro from
the Amiga Format Coverdisk but haven't got round to setting it up yet!!

So, I'm a bit lazy!!!!!!  I'm waiting for a Harddrive before I do anything
else.  I've been programming in Amos for a ggod three years now and know my
way around the language pretty well (I also know c & c++ if anyones
interested!).

When I started using Amos, I needed to set up a large 2d Array (For map
storage - 200*200)   Unfortunately, AMOS doesn't handle anything this large,
which stumped me for a good while.  (Is this bug fixed in AMOS Pro? - You can
define the array, but if you write to areas of it the machine hangs!!!).

If anyone else has this problem ..... I HAVE A SOLUTION!!!!!!

It's rather low level though, involving pokes and peeks to and from direct
memory addresses!

STEP 1:
    Reserve a data bank for use (This initializes a block of mem. to use)
        RESERVE AS DATA 6,200*200 : 'for array 2D 200*200

STEP 2:
    You need to have a formula that allows you to access an element quickly
and easily.  This may seem complicated but it does work!!!!!!
    For example, a write command (Storing data in an element) could be:
        POKE START 6+x+(y*w),2
; where x is the x co-ord, y is the y co-ord and
; w is the width of the map (The largest possible
; for x).  The value 2 is written to the location.

    This may seem a little complicated, but it is a lot faster than the DIM
function and allows you to define a larger array!!!!  It is also stored as a
data bank allowing the easy loading and saving to disk!!!

If you you want me to go into more detail then let me know!!

I hope this is of some use,

Tim.   -   [e-mail]

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On Thu, 4 May 1995, Eddie wrote:
> At the moment I use Amos 1.3+comp. on a 500 with 1meg.  I do have AmosPro from
> the Amiga Format Coverdisk but haven't got round to setting it up yet!!
Same here, except I've got 3M and AmosPro & Compiler.

> When I started using Amos, I needed to set up a large 2d Array (For map
> storage - 200*200)   Unfortunately, AMOS doesn't handle anything this large,
> which stumped me for a good while.  (Is this bug fixed in AMOS Pro? - You can
> define the array, but if you write to areas of it the machine hangs!!!).
No, it's not a bug. add "Set Buffer 20" to the beginning of your program.
INcrease the value until it works.

[code snipped]
>     This may seem a little complicated, but it is a lot faster than the DIM
> function and allows you to define a larger array!!!!  It is also stored as a
> data bank allowing the easy loading and saving to disk!!!
Yes, you're right.. definately a better way to do it. :)

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Hello all,
    I'm new to this group so I'm just letting you all know who I am! :-)

At the moment I use Amos 1.3+comp. on a 500 with 1meg.  I do have AmosPro from
the Amiga Format Coverdisk but haven't got round to setting it up yet!!

So, I'm a bit lazy!!!!!!  I'm waiting for a Harddrive before I do anything
else.  I've been programming in Amos for a ggod three years now and know my
way around the language pretty well (I also know c & c++ if anyones
interested!).

When I started using Amos, I needed to set up a large 2d Array (For map
storage - 200*200)   Unfortunately, AMOS doesn't handle anything this large,
which stumped me for a good while.  (Is this bug fixed in AMOS Pro? - You can
define the array, but if you write to areas of it the machine hangs!!!).

If anyone else has this problem ..... I HAVE A SOLUTION!!!!!!

It's rather low level though, involving pokes and peeks to and from direct
memory addresses!

STEP 1:
    Reserve a data bank for use (This initializes a block of mem. to use)
        RESERVE AS DATA 6,200*200 : 'for array 2D 200*200

STEP 2:
    You need to have a formula that allows you to access an element quickly
and easily.  This may seem complicated but it does work!!!!!!
    For example, a write command (Storing data in an element) could be:
        POKE START 6+x+(y*w),2
; where x is the x co-ord, y is the y co-ord and
; w is the width of the map (The largest possible
; for x).  The value 2 is written to the location.

    This may seem a little complicated, but it is a lot faster than the DIM
function and allows you to define a larger array!!!!  It is also stored as a
data bank allowing the easy loading and saving to disk!!!

If you you want me to go into more detail then let me know!!

I hope this is of some use,

Tim.   -   [e-mail]


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On Thu, 4 May 1995, Eddie wrote:
> At the moment I use Amos 1.3+comp. on a 500 with 1meg.  I do have AmosPro from
> the Amiga Format Coverdisk but haven't got round to setting it up yet!!
Same here, except I've got 3M and AmosPro & Compiler.

> When I started using Amos, I needed to set up a large 2d Array (For map
> storage - 200*200)   Unfortunately, AMOS doesn't handle anything this large,
> which stumped me for a good while.  (Is this bug fixed in AMOS Pro? - You can
> define the array, but if you write to areas of it the machine hangs!!!).
No, it's not a bug. add "Set Buffer 20" to the beginning of your program.
INcrease the value until it works.

[code snipped]
>     This may seem a little complicated, but it is a lot faster than the DIM
> function and allows you to define a larger array!!!!  It is also stored as a
> data bank allowing the easy loading and saving to disk!!!
Yes, you're right.. definately a better way to do it. :)

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Hello all,
    I'm new to this group so I'm just letting you all know who I am! :-)

At the moment I use Amos 1.3+comp. on a 500 with 1meg.  I do have AmosPro from
the Amiga Format Coverdisk but haven't got round to setting it up yet!!

So, I'm a bit lazy!!!!!!  I'm waiting for a Harddrive before I do anything
else.  I've been programming in Amos for a ggod three years now and know my
way around the language pretty well (I also know c & c++ if anyones
interested!).

When I started using Amos, I needed to set up a large 2d Array (For map
storage - 200*200)   Unfortunately, AMOS doesn't handle anything this large,
which stumped me for a good while.  (Is this bug fixed in AMOS Pro? - You can
define the array, but if you write to areas of it the machine hangs!!!).

If anyone else has this problem ..... I HAVE A SOLUTION!!!!!!

It's rather low level though, involving pokes and peeks to and from direct
memory addresses!

STEP 1:
    Reserve a data bank for use (This initializes a block of mem. to use)
        RESERVE AS DATA 6,200*200 : 'for array 2D 200*200

STEP 2:
    You need to have a formula that allows you to access an element quickly
and easily.  This may seem complicated but it does work!!!!!!
    For example, a write command (Storing data in an element) could be:
        POKE START 6+x+(y*w),2
; where x is the x co-ord, y is the y co-ord and
; w is the width of the map (The largest possible
; for x).  The value 2 is written to the location.

    This may seem a little complicated, but it is a lot faster than the DIM
function and allows you to define a larger array!!!!  It is also stored as a
data bank allowing the easy loading and saving to disk!!!

If you you want me to go into more detail then let me know!!

I hope this is of some use,

Tim.   -   [e-mail]


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On Thu, 4 May 1995, Eddie wrote:
> At the moment I use Amos 1.3+comp. on a 500 with 1meg.  I do have AmosPro from
> the Amiga Format Coverdisk but haven't got round to setting it up yet!!
Same here, except I've got 3M and AmosPro & Compiler.

> When I started using Amos, I needed to set up a large 2d Array (For map
> storage - 200*200)   Unfortunately, AMOS doesn't handle anything this large,
> which stumped me for a good while.  (Is this bug fixed in AMOS Pro? - You can
> define the array, but if you write to areas of it the machine hangs!!!).
No, it's not a bug. add "Set Buffer 20" to the beginning of your program.
INcrease the value until it works.

[code snipped]
>     This may seem a little complicated, but it is a lot faster than the DIM
> function and allows you to define a larger array!!!!  It is also stored as a
> data bank allowing the easy loading and saving to disk!!!
Yes, you're right.. definately a better way to do it. :)

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On Thu, 4 May 1995, Eddie wrote:
> At the moment I use Amos 1.3+comp. on a 500 with 1meg.  I do have AmosPro from
> the Amiga Format Coverdisk but haven't got round to setting it up yet!!
Same here, except I've got 3M and AmosPro & Compiler.

> When I started using Amos, I needed to set up a large 2d Array (For map
> storage - 200*200)   Unfortunately, AMOS doesn't handle anything this large,
> which stumped me for a good while.  (Is this bug fixed in AMOS Pro? - You can
> define the array, but if you write to areas of it the machine hangs!!!).
No, it's not a bug. add "Set Buffer 20" to the beginning of your program.
INcrease the value until it works.

[code snipped]
>     This may seem a little complicated, but it is a lot faster than the DIM
> function and allows you to define a larger array!!!!  It is also stored as a
> data bank allowing the easy loading and saving to disk!!!
Yes, you're right.. definately a better way to do it. :)

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On Thu, 4 May 1995, Branko Collin wrote:

> As far as we know (pluralis discussionlistis) Amos development by
> Europress has stopped completely. Several groups and persons of this list
> have plans to take it -within legal bounds- a step further. Michael
> Sikorsky is working on what-used-to-be-called-MARP, a project to replace
> all Amos commands with C functions, so that an Amos programmer could
> switch easily to C (and C programmers would not have to plough through
> numerous manuals just to open a screen). The Amos Development Team (of
> which the members are?) are working on a completely new Amos-like but
> less buggy language.

Ok...lets wait.....

> > Is there any hope for my AmosPro and A1200? :)
> >
>
> In what sense? They are not disfunctional at the moment, are they? You
> can program with them, cannot you?

Ofcourse i can....still, update for AmosPro2.0 would be great...

> > I bet you all have heard that Blitz2 is fast....thats not true.
> > Bobs are fast in Blitz2 but calculations are very slow, 2-5 times
> > slower than AmosPro+Compiler.
> >
>
> We have covered this subject before on this list. I guess the fact that
> both languages are popular means that both languages have their strong
> points.

Havent seen them, because i'm new on this list....
btw. i have nothing against Blitz2....just testing it....


Jari Jokivuori


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Ajum!!!

Several months ago i sent money to Ryan Scott, because I want Turbo Extension,
but I havn't receibed it. I sent e-mails to Ryan Scott and he never
responds them. What do you know about Ryan and Turbo Extension?


      +---------------------------------+
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Hiya,

I'm the sort of AMOS programmer who's pretty adept at moving bobs and
pasting icons and very simple coding, but I've never been able to come up
with a top ten list routine.

Assuming the current score is in a variable called SCORE, could someone
help me out with a procedure to chech and save it against a file on the
disk? this would be much appreciated.

I've always thought a scrolling 3d environment like that of the popular
ibm game could be faked in amos by using a directional animation of screens.
now i know that amos permits only 8 screens but if they are, say, 352 by
960 then you have (through judicious screen offsetting) effectively 24
screens (or more) which should be sufficient for some excellent 3d scrolling
effects at lightning speed. I wanted to digitize some of those claustro-
phobic hallway scenes from _The Shining_ to try this, but my digitizer is
not up to snuff.

Opinions? and what is Francois doing these days?

-Daniel

F
X-Status:

Ajum!!!

Several months ago i sent money to Ryan Scott, because I want Turbo Extension,
but I havn't receibed it. I sent e-mails to Ryan Scott and he never
responds them. What do you know about Ryan and Turbo Extension?


      +---------------------------------+
      | Hugo Ramses Moreno Ramos        +-+
      | [e-mail]       | |
      | Guadalajara, Mexico             | |
      | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | |
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Hiya,

I'm the sort of AMOS programmer who's pretty adept at moving bobs and
pasting icons and very simple coding, but I've never been able to come up
with a top ten list routine.

Assuming the current score is in a variable called SCORE, could someone
help me out with a procedure to chech and save it against a file on the
disk? this would be much appreciated.

I've always thought a scrolling 3d environment like that of the popular
ibm game could be faked in amos by using a directional animation of screens.
now i know that amos permits only 8 screens but if they are, say, 352 by
960 then you have (through judicious screen offsetting) effectively 24
screens (or more) which should be sufficient for some excellent 3d scrolling
effects at lightning speed. I wanted to digitize some of those claustro-
phobic hallway scenes from _The Shining_ to try this, but my digitizer is
not up to snuff.

Opinions? and what is Francois doing these days?

-Daniel

F
X-Status:

Hiya,

I'm the sort of AMOS programmer who's pretty adept at moving bobs and
pasting icons and very simple coding, but I've never been able to come up
with a top ten list routine.

Assuming the current score is in a variable called SCORE, could someone
help me out with a procedure to chech and save it against a file on the
disk? this would be much appreciated.

I've always thought a scrolling 3d environment like that of the popular
ibm game could be faked in amos by using a directional animation of screens.
now i know that amos permits only 8 screens but if they are, say, 352 by
960 then you have (through judicious screen offsetting) effectively 24
screens (or more) which should be sufficient for some excellent 3d scrolling
effects at lightning speed. I wanted to digitize some of those claustro-
phobic hallway scenes from _The Shining_ to try this, but my digitizer is
not up to snuff.

Opinions? and what is Francois doing these days?

-Daniel

F
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Hi all.

It's a lot of time i dont't write to the list but i'm always am AMOS
programmer!
A question:

- Is there a possibility to open a reqtools file requester on a WB screen
from AMOS without using Intuition extension by Andy Church?
The problem is: how to get the start address for the WB screen data
structure?

   I hope in suggestions....

   Luca ([e-mail])



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Hello All,

I've got a real sod of a problem which is making my life hell!! Whenever I
run my new project on my A1200 it generates a SOFTWARE FAILURE error,
tells me to wait for disk activity to finish before rebooting.

I looked through the program on AMOS Pro using the step command and it seems
when it gets to an

UNTIL etc,

Command it skips to somewhere completely obscure in the program causing the
crash?

HELP!!!!!!

Is it AMOS (v1.36 with CRAFT and EASY LIFE extensions)?
Is it my HD?
Is it my A1200?

What the hell is going on?????!!!!

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On Tue, 9 May 1995, Magoga - Borsista CSI wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> It's a lot of time i dont't write to the list but i'm always am AMOS
> programmer!
> A question:
>
> - Is there a possibility to open a reqtools file requester on a WB screen
> from AMOS without using Intuition extension by Andy Church?
> The problem is: how to get the start address for the WB screen data
> structure?
>
>    I hope in suggestions....
>
>    Luca ([e-mail])
>
>
>
Yes, you can use reqtools for AMOS Pro with out intuition extension, but
I don't know about AMOS. I have made routines to AMOS Pro for
reqtools.library, but I had a hd-crash lately and the sources for
reqtools went to dev null.... I am recoding them probably in this week,
and I am thinking to send them to AMOS List.

    Tumu / BFB Team


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On Wed, 10 May 1995, Chris Sadler wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I've got a real sod of a problem which is making my life hell!! Whenever I
> run my new project on my A1200 it generates a SOFTWARE FAILURE error,
> tells me to wait for disk activity to finish before rebooting.
>
> I looked through the program on AMOS Pro using the step command and it seems
> when it gets to an
>
> UNTIL etc,
>
> Command it skips to somewhere completely obscure in the program causing the
> crash?
>
> HELP!!!!!!
>
> Is it AMOS (v1.36 with CRAFT and EASY LIFE extensions)?

Most likely.

> Is it my HD?
> Is it my A1200?

It wont be your setup.  It is always AMOS that mucks everything up.  When
Monsieur Lionet wrote AMOS, he was learning to program the Amiga.  He
came from the ST!!!!!  Therefore, everything is badly bugged and he didnt
even hear of a tool called Enforcer.  My advice is to disable those
extensions and try again.  There is always clashing with different
extensions.

>
> What the hell is going on?????!!!!
>

Crap AMOS, thats what! :-(

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Haven't seen any post on the list for almost a week now is the list:

1) Down
2) Dead
3) All of the above

Anyone have any word on the latest with the TurboPlus extension or is
that dead as well (latest being v2.0). I was looking forward to seeing this
Scene Animation Language and also Colour Font commands implemented
instead of having to use the procedures as well as the multitasking LOAD
command.

Also has the Compact+ extension gotten off the ground yet ?

Greg


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On Wed May 10 15:23:20 1995, <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I've got a real sod of a problem which is making my life hell!! Whenever I
> run my new project on my A1200 it generates a SOFTWARE FAILURE error,
> tells me to wait for disk activity to finish before rebooting.
>
> I looked through the program on AMOS Pro using the step command and it seems
> when it gets to an
>
> UNTIL etc,
>
> Command it skips to somewhere completely obscure in the program causing the
> crash?
>
> HELP!!!!!!
>
> Is it AMOS (v1.36 with CRAFT and EASY LIFE extensions)?

Perhaps your problem is related with the installed extensions. I recommend you
to de-install these extensions, and try again.

> Is it my HD?
> Is it my A1200?
Another possibility is a problem with the memory chips of your AMIGA. Try some
program on Aminet to check the memory.

> What the hell is going on?????!!!!

I hope this helps

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On Wed May 10 15:23:20 1995, <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I've got a real sod of a problem which is making my life hell!! Whenever I
> run my new project on my A1200 it generates a SOFTWARE FAILURE error,
> tells me to wait for disk activity to finish before rebooting.
>
> I looked through the program on AMOS Pro using the step command and it seems
> when it gets to an
>
> UNTIL etc,
>
> Command it skips to somewhere completely obscure in the program causing the
> crash?
>
> HELP!!!!!!
>
> Is it AMOS (v1.36 with CRAFT and EASY LIFE extensions)?

Perhaps your problem is related with the installed extensions. I recommend you
to de-install these extensions, and try again.

> Is it my HD?
> Is it my A1200?
Another possibility is a problem with the memory chips of your AMIGA. Try some
program on Aminet to check the memory.

> What the hell is going on?????!!!!

I hope this helps

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On Wed May 10 15:23:20 1995, <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I've got a real sod of a problem which is making my life hell!! Whenever I
> run my new project on my A1200 it generates a SOFTWARE FAILURE error,
> tells me to wait for disk activity to finish before rebooting.
>
> I looked through the program on AMOS Pro using the step command and it seems
> when it gets to an
>
> UNTIL etc,
>
> Command it skips to somewhere completely obscure in the program causing the
> crash?
>
> HELP!!!!!!
>
> Is it AMOS (v1.36 with CRAFT and EASY LIFE extensions)?

Perhaps your problem is related with the installed extensions. I recommend you
to de-install these extensions, and try again.

> Is it my HD?
> Is it my A1200?
Another possibility is a problem with the memory chips of your AMIGA. Try some
program on Aminet to check the memory.

> What the hell is going on?????!!!!

I hope this helps

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Hey look, I've got a working alpha copy ready for FTP at
ftp.rain.org/pub/doctorx/ if anyone wants to try it out. I need graphics,
ideas, and if you want to finish coding it, it's all yours. I am no
longer interested in it as much as I was. Currently I am working on a
C64-style platform game and a MUD for Linux which is taking up all of my
time (as if a weekly TV show didn't. Ha.)

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Hello,

I read somewhere the 'screen-struct' from intuition (I don't know
too much about this subject so don't flame me for using screen when it
should be 'layer' or so:-) can take a 'custom bitmap'. I believe this is
a pointer to a piece of memory with the bitmap, is this right ?
If it is, is it possible to have a intui.screen showing the contents of
an amosscreen (since amos can give the pointer to the bitmap of its screen)
I realise that there are differences in the screens but would a single
bitplane be possible ?
If this can be done, it would mean I can get amos-screen-data in a wb
screen on 1.3.

Anyone ? (Andy, please ?:-)


---------------------------------------------------------------
Martijn Wehrens, Theoretical Chemistry Group Utrecht University
email [e-mail]
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On Thu, 11 May 1995, Martijn Wehrens wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I read somewhere the 'screen-struct' from intuition (I don't know
> too much about this subject so don't flame me for using screen when it
> should be 'layer' or so:-) can take a 'custom bitmap'. I believe this is
> a pointer to a piece of memory with the bitmap, is this right ?

Yes.

> If it is, is it possible to have a intui.screen showing the contents of
> an amosscreen (since amos can give the pointer to the bitmap of its screen)

This does work and I could give you code that does it if you want.
From what I've done with it though, windows mess up the display and AMOS
can't write to the windows directly.

> I realise that there are differences in the screens but would a single
> bitplane be possible ?

You could do an entire 5-bitplane HAM screen if you really wanted to.
BTW: Most of the differences of the displays come from AMOS's copper list
and not the bitmaps themselves.  The bitmaps will slide into a screen's
bitmap structure directly.

> If this can be done, it would mean I can get amos-screen-data in a wb
> screen on 1.3.
>
Yes.  You still need to use intuition to do windowing though.

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On Fri, 21 Apr 1995, David C. Gorton wrote:

> I'm looking for an text-scroller for a TV newsroom.  Sort of like what
> you would be able to roll credits on.  But instead it would be for the
> reporters to read their lines off of while looking into the camera.
> Anybody know where I can find/FTP one?  Source would be nice too.  NTSC
> compatibility is a must, unless the source is available.  I know just
> enough about AMOS to change PAL to NTSC.
>

BTW, a Dutch TV-programme recently showed how autocues work. It was
indeed a very simple screen scroller, one anybody could programme in 10
lines of Amos. The only thing new I learned was that the
news-presenter or an operator used a footpedal to control the speed of
the scrolling.

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Hi,

Is it stated anywhere in the amos(pro) manual that the 'Free'
function so happens to clear any 'Param' or 'Param$' ?!?!
(This cost me a lot of bug-searching!)

If anyone remembers my question about the (pro)compiler and my
large program (the big set buffer):
It helped much to have a number of 'F=Free' commands during
many string-operations, other than that,
it also helped much to make the buffer smaller. Which is a problem
because some 200 K of data must be read into array's (so whay not
use a Bank you'll say... alas, the most of the data will be
resized in the program, a bank would cost about 500K : too much)

When a compiled program gets stuck:

- change the order of your procedures
- Retokenize the program. This will correct most file errors
 (which are scarce, really ;-) )
- If using Data-lines, check out for comments etc. otherwise the
  compiler will be confused by this remarks.
- If using permanent banks, check if all the bank lengths are
  *even*. Not doing so will cause the compiler to create
  unexecuteable files.
- Try out both cli and wb executables.
- Try to reduce the string buffer size.
- Avoid dummy and trash strings where possible.
  Use DUMMY=Free in complicated string manipulation procedures.
- Ask Francois Lionet to fix the string bugs! :-)
- Give up. :-(

In case of very, very many string-operations:
these can be quite sure at fault:
Chris> "I've coded a lot of programs and my
Chris> AMOS-Guide program has to use a lot of string work and you can watch
Chris> it crashing after at least 30 seconds scrolling through large
Chris> nodes..." I'm afraid there's nothing you could do about this but to
Chris> avoid using strings... :-(

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email [e-mail]
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> > Several months ago i sent money to Ryan Scott, because I want Turbo Extension,
> > but I havn't receibed it. I sent e-mails to Ryan Scott and he never
> > responds them. What do you know about Ryan and Turbo Extension?
>
> But Ryan Scott has nothing to do with Turbo Extension... Turbo extension
> was made by a Andre.... can't remember. However version 1.9 is freeware
> and I don't know of future commercial (or shareware) version.
>
> MeF
>

Well, I sent the money to Ryan, and I don't think I sent my money to the wrong
person, do I?

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On Fri, 12 May 1995,  (Gau) wrote:
>.On Thu, 11 May 1995, Martijn Wehrens wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I read somewhere the 'screen-struct' from intuition (I don't know
>> too much about this subject so don't flame me for using screen when it
>> should be 'layer' or so:-) can take a 'custom bitmap'. I believe this is
>> a pointer to a piece of memory with the bitmap, is this right ?
>
>Yes.
>
>> If it is, is it possible to have a intui.screen showing the contents of
>> an amosscreen (since amos can give the pointer to the bitmap of its
screen)
>
>This does work and I could give you code that does it if you want.
>From what I've done with it though, windows mess up the display and AMOS
>can't write to the windows directly.
>

<file cliped>

Ya Andy:

   If this do'es work.  Could you upgrade your INTUITION extention to allow
your screen opens
to share a bitmap with Amos, instead of using the AMOSCOPY command.

    Only problem now, is the mouse.  The Amos mouse and Intuition's mouse
have nothing to
do with each other.  You have no way of detecting zones.

-

Gau:
    Would you please send me a copy of your code.  I would like a chance to
play with this.


Brad G.


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>Maybe you can find some way of contacting him through NetCreations.
>
>He does exist as [e-mail], it seems to be an ftp-only site
>but E-mail is a possibility.

  According to his web page, you can reach him via E-mail at
[e-mail] (his old address).

>And if you find him, remind him that he owes Dave May $200.00!

  And he still owes me about $100...

  --Andy Church ([e-mail])
    WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/
    AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/

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On Fri, 12 May 1995, Hugo Ramses -Multimedia wrote:

> > > Several months ago i sent money to Ryan Scott, because I want Turbo Extension,
> > > but I havn't receibed it. I sent e-mails to Ryan Scott and he never
> > > responds them. What do you know about Ryan and Turbo Extension?
> >
> > But Ryan Scott has nothing to do with Turbo Extension... Turbo extension
> > was made by a Andre.... can't remember. However version 1.9 is freeware
> > and I don't know of future commercial (or shareware) version.
> >
> > MeF

Whoa hold on here, Ryan Scott had everything to do with Turbo Extension.
He coordinated efforts from Manuel Andre, himself, me, and other
programmers/designers to produce Turbo.  He did an excellent job (though
he owes me some money)...

> Well, I sent the money to Ryan, and I don't think I sent my money to the wrong
> person, do I?

You sent it to the right person.  Nonetheless he has left the AMOS scene
to make some money.  Hmmm.  it appears Ryan Scott has a web page.
Something to do with NetCreations, Inc.

URL: http://www.netcreations.com/rscott/index.html

Maybe you can find some way of contacting him through NetCreations.

He does exist as [e-mail], it seems to be an ftp-only site
but E-mail is a possibility.

And if you find him, remind him that he owes Dave May $200.00!

Dave

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Here it is, Reqtools interface for AmosPro.

I will update it like adding matchpatterns, but it hasn't got much hurry.

If you're using this piece of code in your progs, please credit me in
information texts.

This piece of code is PUBLIC DOMAIN, so you can't take any money from it
except some cost for disks and postage.

    Tumu / BFB Team <[e-mail]>

------------------------ cut here --------------------------

' reqtools interface by tumu / bfb team <[e-mail]>
' version 1.0 - public domain

' bfb team productions 1995
' bfb team www page: http://lyyra.kempele.fi/~quaid/

' reqtools.library is copyrighted by Nico Francois

' requires make's lib extension! _rtfilereq uses it's mem allocation routines
'                            (reserves 108 bytes for filename)

' make's lib can be ftped from nic.funet.fi
'                              /pub/amiga/programming/amos/makelib.lha

' procedures:
'             _rtallocrequest[type_of_requester]
'             ; allocates needed buffers for requesters
'               type = 0 - file requester
'                      1 - easy requester
'                      2 - font requester (not available)
'                      3 - screenmode req. (not available)
'             ; returns in Param the address of the buffer or null if
'               no memory

'             _rtezrequest[requester_string,gadget_strings,titlebar_str,
'                          request_buffer]
'             ; use easy requester
'               requester_string - requester string
'               gadget_string    - gadget string (gads seperated by '|')
'                                  (example: "Ok|Cancel")
'               titlebar_str     - titlebar string
'               request_buffer   - address returned by _rtallocrequest

'             _rtfilerequest[titlestr,request_buffer]
'             ; use file requester
'               titlestr - title string
'               request_buffer - address returned by _rtallocrequest
'             ; return: returns 1 in Param if user selected a file
'                       _rtfile$ contains filename
'                       _rtdir$ contains directoryname

'             _rtfreerequest[request_buffer]
'             ; deallocates request buffer
'               request_buffer - address returned by _rtallocrequest

Amos To Back

Lib Open 1,"reqtools.library",0

_RTALLOCREQUEST[0]
_REQBUFFER=Param

If _REQBUFFER<=0
   Amos To Front
   Print "no enough mem for reqbuffer"
   End
End If

_RTFILEREQUEST["BFB Team productions 1995",_REQBUFFER]

Print Param,_RTDIR$+"/"+_RTFILE$

_RTFREEREQUEST[_REQBUFFER]

Amos To Front

Procedure _RTALLOCREQUEST[TYPE]
   ' rt_filereq - equ 0 ; file requester
   ' rt_reqinfo - equ 1 ; easy requester

   Dreg(0)=TYPE
   Areg(0)=0

   RES=Lib Call(1,-$1E)

End Proc[RES]
Procedure _RTEZREQUEST[_REQ$,_GADS$,_TITLE$,_REQBUFFER]

   Areg(1)=Varptr(_REQ$)
   Areg(2)=Varptr(_GADS$)
   Areg(3)=_REQBUFFER
   Areg(4)=0
   Areg(0)=0

   X=Free
   Loke _REQBUFFER+12,Varptr(_TITLE$)

   RES=Lib Call(1,-$42)

End Proc[RES]
Procedure _RTFILEREQUEST[_TITLE$,_REQBUFFER]

   Shared _RTFILE$,_RTDIR$,_RTFILENAMEPTR

   If _RTFILENAMEPTR=0
      _RTFILENAMEPTR=Ma Malloc(108,Mem Public+Mem Clear)
   End If

   If _RTFILENAMEPTR=0
      Pop Proc[-1]
   End If

   _TITLE$=_TITLE$+Chr$(0)

   Areg(0)=0
   Areg(1)=_REQBUFFER
   Areg(2)=_RTFILENAMEPTR

   X=Free
   Areg(3)=Varptr(_TITLE$)

   RES=Lib Call(1,-$36)

   If RES=1
      _RTFILE$=Elmem$(_RTFILENAMEPTR,108,0)
      _RTDIR$=Elmem$(Leek(_REQBUFFER+16),108-Len(_RTFILE$),0)
   End If

End Proc[RES]
Procedure _RTFREEREQUEST[_REQBUFFER]

   Shared _RTFILENAMEPTR

   Areg(1)=_REQBUFFER

   RES=Lib Call(1,-$24)

   If _RTFILENAMEPTR>0 Then Ma Free _RTFILENAMEPTR

End Proc


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Okay, I've seen Demo's of Turbo Plus Extension(is the the same as the tubo
extension 1.9 or what? Someone said that 1.9 is freeware, if so where do
I get it?(I don't think its on Aminet), I'
ve also mailed Ryan about purchasing it, but got no response either. So how
do I get it, I really, really, REALLY need it for its smooth scrolling map
instructions. Can anybody help me with this or what???

Cori Skagen
([e-mail])


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You can get the Turbo+(Plus) extension from:

NorthWest Public Domain
P.O. Box 1617
Auburn, Wa 98071-1617
[phone] ask for John

The latest verion of Turbo+(Plus) is 2.0 which really isn't that much of an
update over 1.0 to be perfectly honest and I don't think Turbo+(Plus) is
being supported at least in the US anymore, but you still can get it from
NorthWest Public Domain.

Still a good extension to have in your collection with many great comands
at your dissposal along with an excellent colour font editor and scene
editor.

Turbo v1.9 is very buggy on AMOSPro and doesn't include all the commands
that are in Turbo+(Plus).


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> Okay, I've seen Demo's of Turbo Plus Extension(is the the same as the tubo
> extension 1.9 or what? Someone said that 1.9 is freeware, if so where do
> I get it?(I don't think its on Aminet),

Ok.You can find it in a lot of places.
If you have access to FTP, you simply have to connect to inca.gate.net.
You can find extension in directory pub/amos/software/extension.
Extension is archived with lha and it is damaged. Extension works fine
but there are no manuals about it!
You can download Turbo19.lha from my homepage too.
Connect via Mosaic (or similar) to:

http://www.di.unito.it/pub/WWW/www_student/amiga/LucaFerraris/amosweb.html

See page "Amos Extensions" and download it. If you use Mosaic, select
option Load To Local Disk to download it on your hard-disk. If you are
using Netscape, press the SHIFT key click at the same time on the
extension name.

Note: version present in my home-page is the same present via FTP on
inca.gate.net!
However,i received from Mauro Fontana (MeF) the complete version with
guides and manuals. It's not damaged and so i think i will put it
on my hard-disk. So, you can try to connect next week to my home-page,
to download the complete version.

I think you have to thank Mauro Fontana!


I could e-mail it to the amoslist (uuencode) but i think it's not possible.
The size of archive is mote than 130K!

>
> Cori Skagen
> ([e-mail])
>
>

   Luca Ferraris ([e-mail])




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Cori Skagen wrote on Sun, 14 May 1995 13:10:46


> Okay, I've seen Demo's of Turbo Plus Extension(is the the same as the tubo
> extension 1.9 or what? Someone said that 1.9 is freeware, if so where do
> I get it?(I don't think its on Aminet), I'
> ve also mailed Ryan about purchasing it, but got no response either. So how
> do I get it, I really, really, REALLY need it for its smooth scrolling map
> instructions. Can anybody help me with this or what???
Yep, there are help awailable... I found it on ftp.gate.net
(NAME: Turbo19.LHA), but I'll don't know if it's there anymore...
Try it out, othervice, mail me again, and I'll send it to ya! I have
it .LHA packed at home!

Regards,

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>> Okay, I've seen Demo's of Turbo Plus Extension(is the the same as the tubo
>> extension 1.9 or what? Someone said that 1.9 is freeware, if so where do
>> I get it?(I don't think its on Aminet), I'
>> ve also mailed Ryan about purchasing it, but got no response either. So how
>> do I get it, I really, really, REALLY need it for its smooth scrolling map
>> instructions. Can anybody help me with this or what???
>Yep, there are help awailable... I found it on ftp.gate.net
>(NAME: Turbo19.LHA), but I'll don't know if it's there anymore...
>Try it out, othervice, mail me again, and I'll send it to ya! I have
>it .LHA packed at home!

  You can also get it off the AMOS Web Site (URL below).

  --Andy Church ([e-mail])
    WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/
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> I'm looking for an text-scroller for a TV newsroom.  Sort of like what
> you would be able to roll credits on.  But instead it would be for the
> reporters to read their lines off of while looking into the camera.
> Anybody know where I can find/FTP one?  Source would be nice too.  NTSC
> compatibility is a must, unless the source is available.  I know just
> enough about AMOS to change PAL to NTSC.
>

There was an autoque textscroller uploaded to aminet last week. I did not
check it out, but it could be exactly what you need.

Darryl

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Hi Martijn,

Sorry for taking so long getting back to you.

Thanks for getting in touch about my little problem.  Your
doscall-calls would be very helpfull, especially if you can comment them.  My
version of AMOS Pro came off the front of a magazine and I dont have the manual.
 Being a student and all I dont have the funds to upgrade so any other
programming tricks you dont mind sharing will be much welcomed.

At the moment I am developing a few PROCEDURES that Ive had to create
for my programs and hoping to get most of them finished to either post to
the list, up-load to AmiNet within the next few days.  Or if anyone wants
them get in touch and Ill mail them (I have 2 versions so please state if you
have the TURBO extensions).
These will include:

_3DBUTTON[]  ; done to death I know but I like mine
_3DBOX[]     ; probibly also done to death but Ive not see it
_ALERTBOX[]  ; allows box title, 6 lines of messages, upto 3 buttons
               (all automatically positioned) anywhere on screen
_EMBOSSBOX[] ; draw an embossed box any size anywhere on screen
_TELETYPE[]  ; display text 1 chr at a time, like the old telex
machines
_EDGETEXT[]  ; puts a box around some text, sounds strange but I like
it

Im also working on various other gadgets, such as sliders, cycle
gadgets, tick boxes etc.  The main projects Im working on at the moment
include a football statistic and (mayby) prediction system; and a program that
will allow pre-Pro users to create interface boxes and screens
interactivly, the source will then be saved as ASCII text to import back into programs.
 this is the one Im most proud of but I cant workout how to save the
information. Any ideas anyone?  I think saving it to a file like this will work:

Open Out 1,filename
.
.
Print #1,string-name

and then merging the resultant file with the program source you want
to use it with.
(But I havent had time to try it yet.)

Gizmo,

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>   --Andy Church ([e-mail])
>     WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/
>     AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/

Andy, are you the programmer of the Intuition extension for Amos?

Is it the same as the INTOS?

How much does it cost your extension?

I'm really interested in using the Intuition through AMOS...

Thanks

MeF

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Hi,

  A few days back I sent a message "Bits & Pieces", with a few questions on,
oddly enough bits and pieces. (Cheers for replying to anyone to did).

But I wasn't explicit enough on my q about WB and CLI compilation...

The problem is this, I've been trying to get tool-types working for an Amos
prog, but for some utterly weird reason, it doesn't seem to work. I would
usually throw MonAn (Monitor/Debugger that came with DevPac3) at the task, but
the code I wrote to read the tool types is in an included asm procedure, and I
would have to run through the entire Amos -startup code (ie crap) before
getting anywhere near where I am.

Help! Has anybody got this working - and no, I've looked - Easylife doesn't
*seem* to have it.


Cheers,
   Nick


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[e-mail] (Eddie) wrote on 04.05.1995 some text under the
subject Arrays. I can't leave this uncommentated ;-)

Ed> Hello all,
Ed>     I'm new to this group so I'm just letting you all know who I am! :-)

Hello Eddie (?) :-) I should have done this, too ;-)

If anyone is interested (it got quite long, so get your coffee ready
;) ):

I've born on 26th December 1976, so I'm now 18 years old... my father
is an englishman, my mother is german and I think I have a rather good
knowledge of both languages... :-)

I got hold of my first amiga (500) in August 1986, and I coded a lot
of thingies in AmigaBasic (puke!) (I even wrote a kind of Gamedisk
containing some non-compiled programs %-)))) ), before I switched to
AMOS 1.0...

I've learned much from this time on and in November 1992 I licenced
my first AMOS Gamedisk#1 to The Software Society (the only company in
Germany, which seemed to be interested in AMOS-games), which didn't
sell well ('till now, I've sold unbelievable 7 (seven) disks!).
There were three games on it: Amotrix (a tetris clone for 1/2
players),
Messager (an agility game) and Ultimate Tron (guess what). The price
was 29,00 DM (aprox US $20)...

One month later, AMOS Help! (a accessory which is similar to the
AMOSPro Online Help, including help texts for all available
extensions in german and english, although it never was sold
overseas)
was released and got around a little bit better (34 disks in
total)...
it was updated up to 25.1.93...

Time passed... I've written various little programs for the
'AMOS VIP Club', which was part of The Software Society...

Gamedisk #3 was ready (Gamedisk #2 was a production of somebody else)
on 7.6.1993, contained two games Crack Out (break out clone) and
Free Trading Company (simulation), but sold even worse than
Gamedisk#1
(three disks, of which one was sold to a friend of mine ;-) )...

Meanwhile I start writing my first extension called PCGFC (which
should be some kind of 'PC-GraphicsFormatsConverter, but was soon
later renamed into AMCAF)...

Now, I see that it doesn't make sense to write commercial games
(no matter how good or bad they are) and so I write Strike Commander,
a Shareware dogfight game. (19.9.93)

It was the 12.11.93 when The Software Society phoned me and asked me
to convert TOME to AMOS Pro... half a month later, the TOME IV Pro
Version was finshed. This time, I requested a fixed sum, so I weren't
dependent of the profits share... :-)

December came and therefore another RAMSES Computerclub Developer
Party (RAMSES is a private club, we founded in 1985). We started to
code another tron version and I told my friend, that I would write a
amiga version of it in a few weeks... and so I wrote MegaTron, my
second AMOS Sharewaregame for up to 7 human players and 10 players in
total, featuring many weapons, events, options etc...

January 1994. I buy my modem and a whole new world is open to me.
Coding on AMCAF is running at high speed... 'Mr. Software Society'
suprised me, when he told me, that I'll gonna go to France to meet
F. Lionet to get all the essential informations etc. for an *AGA*
*UPDATE* of AMOS... you can't think, how happy I've been.

Then 25.03.1994: Europress is not interested in an AGA update and I
don't go to France... :-{{{{ I said to myself, that I will give up
AMOS after AMCAF has been completed...

Again, some time passes... September 1994... I acquired the job to
translate the whole Klik'n'Play (Klik'n'Play is a kind of Gamemaker
for Wintendo, but no commands are used, as all is done by dragin'
and droppin'. Guess, who has coded this stupid thing?) manual
within a month (they delivered it nearly a month later than
planned). I were under real pressure (don't forget, that I'm
a schoolboy ;-)) and the translation went somewhat badly...
Europress were really annoyed about the poor translation bla bla
but this is another story ;-)

Some time ago, I also wrote Tubes, a pipeline game... soon to be
seen on AmiNet, if nothing goes wrong ;-)

The AMCAF-Extension V1.0 was released on 16.10.1994. I cannot say,
how much has been sold until now, but I seems that most people are
very pleased with AMCAF... it was updated to 1.18 some months later
and the translation of the manual (which will not be so poor as
the Klik'n'Play one!) began... 50% are translated by now and I hope
to finish it within a month...

The story so far...

BOOO! Wake up! ;-))

Ed> At the moment I use Amos 1.3+comp. on a 500 with 1meg.  I do have AmosPro from

1 MB is not enough for AMOS Pro ;-(

Ed> So, I'm a bit lazy!!!!!!  I'm waiting for a Harddrive before I do anything

Get your harddrive soon! ;-) It's really a big step from a disk
system to a hard drive system...

You'll never want to work with disks again! ;-)

Ed> When I started using Amos, I needed to set up a large 2d Array (For map
Ed> storage - 200*200)   Unfortunately, AMOS doesn't handle anything this large,

It does, what stops you doing so?! ;-) Use the command Set Buffer
when running out of variable space :-)

Ed> which stumped me for a good while.  (Is this bug fixed in AMOS Pro? - You can
Ed> define the array, but if you write to areas of it the machine hangs!!!).

Never heard of this bug, euh? :-?

Ed> If anyone else has this problem ..... I HAVE A SOLUTION!!!!!!

This is a very /old/ solution ;-) But with huge arrays, you're right
;-)

Ed>     This may seem a little complicated, but it is a lot faster than the DIM
Ed> function and allows you to define a larger array!!!!  It is also stored as a
Ed> data bank allowing the easy loading and saving to disk!!!

Right ;-)

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[e-mail] wrote on 08.05.1995 some text under the
subject Top Ten List Routine. I can't leave this uncommentated ;-)

D0> Assuming the current score is in a variable called SCORE, could someone
D0> help me out with a procedure to chech and save it against a file on the
D0> disk? this would be much appreciated.

Ok... first, check out these simple load and save routines... (the
original Tubes routines)

Procedure LOAHISC
' The next line would create an empty hiscore list, if it doesn't exist.
  If Exist("Tubes.his")=0 Then CLRHISC : SAVHISC : Pop Proc
  Wload "Tubes.his",8 : Rem AMCAF command. See replacement below.
  ST=Start(8)
  For A=1 To 15
    HISC$(A)=Peek$(ST,12) : Add ST,12 : Rem holds the name of the player
    HISC(A,0)=Deek(ST) : Add ST,2 : Rem contains the score
    HISC(A,1)=Deek(ST) : Add ST,2 : Rem and this one, the level reached
  Next
End Proc

Procedure SAVHISC
  Reserve As Work 8,15*(12+2+2)
  ST=Start(8)
  For A=1 To 15
    Poke$ ST,HISC$(A) : Add ST,12
    Doke ST,HISC(A,0) : Add ST,2
    Doke ST,HISC(A,1) : Add ST,2
  Next
  Request Off
  Trap Wsave "Tubes.his",8
  Request On
  Erase 8
End Proc

For you, these should look like:

Procedure _LOADHISCORE
  Open In 1,"Hiscore.dat" : L=Lof(1) : Close 1
  Reserve As Work 8,L
  ST=Start(8)
  For A=1 To 10 : Rem assuming your hiscore table contains 10 entries
    HISC$(A)=Peek$(ST,12) : Add ST,12
'   ^^^^ is the array, that contains the playernames, which is fixed
'        to 12 chars.
    HISC(A)=Leek(ST) : Add ST,4
'   ^^^^ contains the score of the player
  Next
End Proc

Procedure _SAVEHISCORE
  Reserve As Work 8,10*(12+4) : Rem space for 10 players*(12 bytes
'                                   name+4 for the score).
  ST=Start(8)
  For A=1 To 10
    Poke$ ST,HISC$(A) : Add ST,12 : Rem writes the name into the bank
    Loke ST,HISC(A) : Add ST,4 : Rem writes the score
  Next
  Bsave "Hiscore.dat",Start(8) To ST
End Proc

Then, here comes the Hiscore-Table part:

[blabla...]
' Check if is better than the worst entry ;-)
If SCORE>HISC(10) Then Gosub ENTERHISC
[blabla...]


ENTERHISC:
' The first step is to find out his rank.
  For A=10 To 1 Step -1
    If SCORE>HISC(A) Then RANK=A Else Exit
  Next
' Then push down all entries by one.
  For A=9 To RANK Step -1
    HISC$(A+1)=HISC$(A)
    HISC(A+1)=HISC(A)
  Next
' Fill in the players data
  HISC$(RANK)=Space$(12)
  HISC(RANK)=SCORE
' Now fill in your input routine. Please not that the length of the
' name string must always be 12 chars!

' This is the original Tubes Hiscore part:
  Gosub HISCORESCREEN
  T[232,"You made it! Enter your name!"]
  Blitter Copy Limit 2
  Blitter Copy 2,0 To 0,3
  Blitter Wait : Wait Vbl
  Screen 2 : For A=0 To 7 : Colour A+8,$FFF : Next : Screen 0
  Fade 2 To 2
' Simple input routine:
  POS=1
  NAME$=Space$(12)
  Do
    Multi Wait
    I$=Inkey$
    If I$<>""
      Exit If I$=Chr$(13)
      If I$=Chr$(8) and POS>1 Then Dec POS : Mid$(NAME$,POS,1)=" "
      If I$>Chr$(31) and POS<13 Then Mid$(NAME$,POS,1)=I$ : Inc POS
      Screen 2
      Text 92,104+RANK*8+TB,NAME$
      Screen 0
      Blitter Copy 2,0 To 0,3
    EndIf
  Loop
' Set name...
  HISC$(RANK)=NAME$
  Screen 2 : For A=0 To 7 : Colour A+8,Colour(A) : Next : Screen 0
  Fade 1 To 2
  For A=0 To 15 : Multi Wait : Next
  PAG=1-PAG
' and save it...
  SAVHISC
Return

D0> I've always thought a scrolling 3d environment like that of the popular
D0> ibm game could be faked in amos by using a directional animation of screens.

I'm doing this in a couple of demos... the Tubes title is the best
example of this...

D0> now i know that amos permits only 8 screens but if they are, say, 352 by
D0> 960 then you have (through judicious screen offsetting) effectively 24
D0> screens (or more) which should be sufficient for some excellent 3d scrolling
D0> effects at lightning speed. I wanted to digitize some of those claustro-
D0> phobic hallway scenes from _The Shining_ to try this, but my digitizer is
D0> not up to snuff.

There's another way... in Tubes I use four 320x256 screens... the 4
bitplanes in each screen hold one frame of animation. The single
bitplanes are copied onto a special screen with background pattern...
You cannot imagine this thing without seeing it. I hope I gets onto
AmiNet soon! ;-)

D0> Opinions? and what is Francois doing these days?

I think he's trying to debug Klik'n'Play... but he won't succeed I
think ;-))

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